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You are here: Home / Getting Started / Good Composers Borrow, Great Composers Steal

Good Composers Borrow, Great Composers Steal

May 13, 2013 By Jon Brantingham 9 Comments

Why It Is Okay to Copy Other Composers (Public Domain)

DISCLAIMER: If you are using your music for commercial purposes, don’t steal from other composers if they are alive or their works are not in the public domain. And don’t take credit for something you haven’t done. This is all in the pursuit of knowledge and technique. Music is vast enough that you can make anything your own with enough effort and changes.

I am currently listening to the third movement of Mendelssohn’s 5th Symphony, “Reformation”. I have heard some people say that Mendelssohn lost his youthful edginess and his later music just doesn’t reflect the genius of his earlier pieces like the Octet or Midsummer Night’s Dream. To them I say, Poppycock!

This is a beautiful piece, and the entire symphony is worth a listen if you haven’t heard it before.

But something that struck me just now, especially on the third movement, is that this is not that ground breaking. The harmonies are straight forward. There is nothing that would stand out as instantly a leap forward in musical thought.

But that’s okay!

Standard Harmonic Progressions

One of the things that strikes me most is the use of very standard harmonic progressions. Lots of I-V-I, I-VI-III, and I-IV6-V kind of stuff. Even with these the music feels fresh. This no doubt is due to other factors as well, such as excellent counterpoint and orchestration, but it doesn’t change the fact that someone like Mendelssohn can take something simple and still use it for a Symphony. His 5th Symphony none the less.

I had written in the past, that if Beethoven was comfortable enough to have used I-V-I as a general progression in one of the last pieces he ever wrote, then I should be comfortable with it as well. But for some reason this is a problem for me. When I sit down to compose, my inner dialogue goes something like this –

Me: Okay, here we are again.

Me: Doo, doo doo dum dum, what should I compose today?

Me: I know, let’s compose something ground breaking. Something that’s never been heard before. That will really get everyone noticing me. I can have new harmonies that I’ve never heard before, make it atonal and tonal at the same time. And to top it off, it has to be written for 10 virtuosos all in the same room, or else it won’t do.

Me: Great idea Me! Let’s do it.

Me: …………. (time passes doodling)

Me: (30 minutes later) 2 bars of music, all in C major starting with an arpeggio… I guess we’ll break ground next time.

Before you call a psychiatrist for me, I will guess and say that you probably have similar experiences.

Performance Anxiety

So what’s the problem. In my mind I see two.

1. First and foremost, I am putting too much pressure on myself to “perform”. More often than not, I have found when I take away any desire to compose with a certain unattainable goal in mind I get nowhere. But when I have a very attainable goal, usually something that involves less pressure, something great get’s composed. This is no more evident than when I have composed “examples” for this site. Looking at it as a simple “academic example” I usually just rattle off a simple sentence using I-V-I type basic progressions, and then I am surprised when I really like it.

2. Second, I am attempting to use harmonies and styles of writing that I have not mastered. When you try and get too fancy with your composing, you end up leaving the world of what you know, for the world of learning. This is okay, but in moderation. Learning, especially through your own composing, has to be done step by step, and overtime. The reason is, you have to truly integrate new things. If you are writing using familiar techniques, and then happen on a very unusual harmony or form, you are more likely to internalize it, than if you are struggling to move from chord to chord in the first place because of some strange desire to break free from the shackles of traditional harmonic thinking.

Steal Away

Getting back to my original point, one of the best things you can do is steal from the greats. And I mean straight up steal (Not steal an entire piece, because that’s plagiarism. Besides, if I were to go in front of a group, play Beethoven’s 9th and call it Brantingham’s 1st, I think they would know). This takes much of the pressure of “originality” off of your shoulders, and puts it on the masters. Your concern is not originality, it is mastery.

Stealing is an art form in and of itself. Steal short bits from pieces that you really like, but then change things in them. You like a certain chord progression? Copy it, and use the same melody as a guide for how to write your melody. In the grand scheme, if you become a great, and scholars are dissecting your music in the future, they will look at it and say:

“Ah, clearly here, he was influenced by Jon Brantingham’s Piano Sonata No. 1…”

Stealing ideas from other composers is a means to an end. It will allow you to internalize things they know, and to make new connections among the things you know.

If you are rolling your eyes right now, I would like to enter into evidence, Exhibit A – Trio Sonata in G Major by Domenico Gallo, and Exhibit B – the Overture to Pulcinella by Stravinsky.

Exhibit A – Trio Sonata in G Major by Domenico Gallo

Exhibit B – The Overture to Pulcinella by Stravinsky

So don’t be afraid to steal once and a while. I think the world will be a better place for it.

Disclaimer: This can probably get me in a little hot water if taken out of context. I am not advocating plagiarism or actual theft of someone else’s music claiming it as your own, or really any theft of any kind beyond the use of ideas. Please do not actually steal, in the traditional sense of a crime. And really, don’t try to steal someones music and claim it as your own. But no one will get you if you use the chord progression from Pachabel’s Canon. See video below.

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    Comments

    1. David Fonsbo

      March 16, 2022 at 10:36 am

      Steal or borrow? Or simply get inspiration from other composers…?

      It’s a grey area. Personally, I always try to compose something I never have done before. So I’m travelling from Rock t pop to lounge to jazz to classical and wonder where I will end up next…

      Reply
    2. Katherine Unsworth

      March 1, 2021 at 8:19 pm

      How much, like percentage wise, can one reintroduce from another composer into their own works? Asking for a paper I am writing..

      Reply
      • Jon Brantingham

        July 14, 2021 at 10:36 am

        If you are just learning, and the piece won’t be used commercially, then it doesn’t really matter. Whatever you need to learn.

        If you are using the piece commercially, and if they are a living composer or if their work is covered by copyright, you can’t use any specific part of it.

        If on the other hand, you are using public domain stuff it’s fair game.

        Reply
    3. Elaine

      August 20, 2013 at 4:06 am

      Just to follow from that….. they say imitation is the greatest form of flattery …. and so Beethoven (my hero) also used this to his own end…. the opening rhymthic motif of the 5th Symphony is taken from Bach’s Toccata, Adagio and Fugue in D, . . . So this is not a new concept either, but as you say, it’s learning to master and play with simple ideas……

      Reply
    4. malikhan

      July 9, 2013 at 2:39 am

      hey you are too great… amazing …. but sir can you tell me how can i compose solo songs i mean classical songs in guitar … many times i try and i write some good melodies … but something is missing …. if you have some suggestion for me plz email me sir ([email protected])

      Reply
      • George Garrett

        December 8, 2013 at 1:59 pm

        Hi Malikhan,

        I am not sure what you mean by “classical songs”, but if writing melodies is your strong point you are in good shape. Why not write a tune for a poem that you admire? Right off the bat, I’d suggest
        a stanza or two from “The Song of Hiawatha”.by Henry Wadsworth Longfellow. Personally a mere recital of the poem is music to my ears.

        Reply
        • Kevin Yang

          June 27, 2017 at 10:43 am

          Hi Malikhan,
          I have had exactly the same concern. I always had moments of what you called ” some good melodies,” but I could never write down a whole piece until today. I sat down, looked through scores, then I realized that a favorite piece of mine by Tyzen Hsiao, a famous Taiwanese composer, written for piano and violin was nothing but a three-time repetition of an 8-bar melody, with the piano and violin taking turns! The whole piece is just that, really.
          Then I found this wonderful blog and I love the author’s idea about “stealing” so much that I tried to compose a piece using some chord progressions and the form of the Hsiao’s piece.
          You have got some good ideas and phrases, but you need a “form,” a general picture of the structure of the whole piece before you actually start working on it. Hope this helps! 🙂

          Reply
    5. Kyle McHattie

      May 17, 2013 at 2:37 pm

      I didn’t realize you had a blog! Great to see this. Your instruction has been extremely helpful and I find myself composing more often with greater results.

      Thanks John.

      Kyle McHattie

      Reply
      • Jon

        May 23, 2013 at 7:10 am

        Thanks Kyle. I am glad to see that.

        Reply

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